1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,010 [Music] 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:11,519 I'm George Galloway I am Steve Topol and 3 00:00:08,010 --> 00:00:13,320 we are toppled Galloway and we both got 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,570 mad haha we're going to manfully 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:19,460 struggling through it because the show 6 00:00:15,570 --> 00:00:23,939 must go on Steve the Labour conference 7 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:28,050 in Liverpool was almost a throwback to 8 00:00:23,939 --> 00:00:32,279 an earlier age it was unpredictable 9 00:00:28,050 --> 00:00:34,860 there were clashes most of them offstage 10 00:00:32,279 --> 00:00:38,070 behind the screen if you like but 11 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:41,489 nonetheless impacting on the public 12 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:44,969 relations of the whole thing I would 13 00:00:41,489 --> 00:00:48,899 have thought myself it will go down as a 14 00:00:44,969 --> 00:00:51,719 disastrous conference on two counts at 15 00:00:48,899 --> 00:00:54,510 least though there may be more first of 16 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:58,079 all the Labour Party threw away the 17 00:00:54,510 --> 00:01:01,530 opportunity which was their fully 18 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:04,049 justified and would have changed if not 19 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:07,830 everything that most things they had the 20 00:01:04,049 --> 00:01:11,250 opportunity to change their rules so 21 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:15,780 that before every general election every 22 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:20,750 Labour MP has to be rejoicing as a 23 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:24,570 candidate now on the principle of Liz 24 00:01:20,750 --> 00:01:28,259 encouragement des autre for the 25 00:01:24,570 --> 00:01:32,189 encouragement of the others the threat 26 00:01:28,259 --> 00:01:37,610 that one is to be deselected will 27 00:01:32,189 --> 00:01:40,590 influence an MP's behavior conduct 28 00:01:37,610 --> 00:01:42,479 application to the job in a way that 29 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:45,090 nothing else can cause I've got to tell 30 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:49,079 you as someone who was an MP almost 30 31 00:01:45,090 --> 00:01:51,630 years for the vast majority of MPs they 32 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:54,479 care only about one thing and that is 33 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:56,159 continuing to be an MP if they think 34 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:58,829 they've got a job for life and no one 35 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:01,729 can touch them well they're likely to 36 00:01:58,829 --> 00:02:04,890 behave in a certain way if they know 37 00:02:01,729 --> 00:02:07,469 that every four years they're going to 38 00:02:04,890 --> 00:02:11,129 have to come in front of the members of 39 00:02:07,469 --> 00:02:13,650 their local party and justify not just 40 00:02:11,129 --> 00:02:17,550 their ideological position 41 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:20,780 their politics but their work rate the 42 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:24,270 number of times they spoke ask questions 43 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:26,790 the number of times they did surgeries 44 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:29,280 in the constituency the effort they've 45 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:31,740 made to get along with the local party 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,710 whose candidate they are all these 47 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:36,690 things would have been every four years 48 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:39,110 up for grabs and that would have 49 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:42,600 produced a completely different culture 50 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:45,630 amongst Labour MPs and labour threw away 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,450 the opportunity for reasons I'm not 52 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:50,520 entirely clear on why don't we start 53 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:53,430 with that as year and let me get your 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,500 take on that yeah no I agree I mean I'm 55 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:58,440 not entirely clear on the issue either 56 00:02:55,500 --> 00:03:01,260 why why it panned out the way it did I'm 57 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,730 in some private group dm's on Twitter 58 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,110 and there was a lot of chewing and 59 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:08,510 throwing and a lot of arguments about 60 00:03:04,110 --> 00:03:10,800 the issue between labour members the but 61 00:03:08,510 --> 00:03:13,830 it's just the the the problem with it is 62 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,360 it's now completely firstly it's left 63 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:18,209 them in the same position the party was 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,739 in six months ago one year ago three 65 00:03:18,209 --> 00:03:23,360 years ago when Corden was first elected 66 00:03:19,739 --> 00:03:25,770 and that's this infighting and this 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,260 stabbing in the metaphorical back of 68 00:03:25,770 --> 00:03:30,780 Corbin I their MPs can continue which 69 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:33,330 not only affects their there and image 70 00:03:30,780 --> 00:03:34,860 within the electorate but also affects 71 00:03:33,330 --> 00:03:37,140 Caulkins confidence Delaney to pass 72 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:40,890 muster yeah yeah you can't go three 73 00:03:37,140 --> 00:03:44,040 years day and night 24/7 with this kind 74 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:46,170 of subversion yeah and it doesn't know 75 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,180 of course and he sends the kind of man 76 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:50,100 who would affect him I don't think he's 77 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:52,950 a water off the duck's back on a person 78 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,820 and but moreover any any general 79 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:56,580 election that would be forthcoming 80 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:58,470 whether as rumor mill keeps on spinning 81 00:03:56,580 --> 00:04:01,739 there's going to be soon or whether it 82 00:03:58,470 --> 00:04:03,330 is in 2022 is it scheduled to be any 83 00:04:01,739 --> 00:04:05,190 general election will now play at the 84 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:07,970 service of 2017 one where you have 85 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:10,560 Labour MPs on doorsteps with there's 86 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:12,570 campaigners undermining the leader of 87 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,040 the party and will be in the same 88 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:17,549 session again they had the perfect 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,410 opportunity Corbin's section of the 90 00:04:17,549 --> 00:04:21,209 Labour Party to sort this issue out and 91 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:24,630 it's been thrown away and it's going to 92 00:04:21,209 --> 00:04:25,860 I died I think it's been played down a 93 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:28,740 lot and the 94 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:30,449 there hasn't been the coverage and the 95 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:33,120 who harbor if you like about it which I 96 00:04:30,449 --> 00:04:34,530 think they should have been and I think 97 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:39,090 I I think it's going to cause trouble 98 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:40,979 for several years in perpetuity because 99 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:43,590 it means as you're right they say if 100 00:04:40,979 --> 00:04:47,669 whenever the election is frankly if it's 101 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:49,830 earlier it's even more true it'll be the 102 00:04:47,669 --> 00:04:53,580 same parliamentary Labour Party that is 103 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:55,680 elected as currently exists and does 104 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:58,259 that same parliamentary Labour Party 105 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,310 which currently exists hates Corbin 106 00:04:58,259 --> 00:05:05,300 eighty percent of them at least what's 107 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:10,020 the purpose of that and you had a chance 108 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:12,870 to sweep all that way and either change 109 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:17,039 the behavior of existing MPs or change 110 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:21,509 the MPs themselves and they've gone for 111 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:23,610 a fudge will not bore the viewers with 112 00:05:21,509 --> 00:05:26,879 the intricate details of that fudge and 113 00:05:23,610 --> 00:05:30,690 as a because the long and the short of 114 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:35,909 it is hardly any if any Labour MPs are 115 00:05:30,690 --> 00:05:39,740 going to be removed so that opportunity 116 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:42,389 has been lost and that will be 117 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:44,669 significant for Jeremy Corbyn but it's 118 00:05:42,389 --> 00:05:48,000 also significant for work or who rather 119 00:05:44,669 --> 00:05:51,539 comes after yeah Jeremy Copeland because 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,770 let's postulate if this Parliament runs 121 00:05:51,539 --> 00:05:57,990 until 2022 which legally must doesn't 122 00:05:55,770 --> 00:06:00,270 mean it will but legally at Mustard's 123 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:02,699 under the fixed term Parliament act who 124 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:08,339 had the last one in 2017 so the next one 125 00:06:02,699 --> 00:06:10,979 is 2022 Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to be 126 00:06:08,339 --> 00:06:16,770 the Labour leader going into an election 127 00:06:10,979 --> 00:06:19,939 in 2032 excited because if I'm not wrong 128 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:24,349 and that would make him 75 and no 129 00:06:19,939 --> 00:06:26,520 British prime minister since Churchill 130 00:06:24,349 --> 00:06:29,699 in fact it would make him all Dylan 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,800 George and Roger was 69 when he became 132 00:06:29,699 --> 00:06:33,839 prime minister and for the first time I 133 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,759 don't think that's credible so no I 134 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,169 think that Corbett if it goes all the 135 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:37,880 way 136 00:06:36,169 --> 00:06:40,990 Corbin's going to have 137 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:45,890 find the successor anoint a successor 138 00:06:40,990 --> 00:06:47,810 you are the carbon and and that 139 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:51,200 candidates going to have to be supported 140 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:54,020 and elected now but under the rules for 141 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,980 the election of leader which again they 142 00:06:54,020 --> 00:07:01,250 fetched it's perfectly possible that the 143 00:06:57,980 --> 00:07:04,160 obvious corbin candidate will not be on 144 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:07,490 the ballot paper because not enough MPs 145 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,190 then will nominate them there and those 146 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:13,070 MPs have now got nothing to fear because 147 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:15,980 they're now not going to be deselected I 148 00:07:13,070 --> 00:07:18,770 mean do the maths yeah no exactly about 149 00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:21,260 politics about numbers yes and it's as 150 00:07:18,770 --> 00:07:22,760 you quite rightly put I mean if I mean 151 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:24,560 if you okay so the sort possible 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,820 candidates which already being touted 153 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,100 there was um 154 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:30,800 you obviously have Angela Wagner you 155 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:33,440 have Emily Thornbury you have Rebecca 156 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,340 long Bailey obviously MacDonald is still 157 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,320 in the frame 158 00:07:34,340 --> 00:07:39,110 they sort of outsiders who would like to 159 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,240 see Chris Williams and push towards the 160 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:42,950 role maybe there's you're quite rightly 161 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,840 point out the likelihood of any of these 162 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:48,410 necessarily even getting on the ballot 163 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,770 well actually centrists can get on the 164 00:07:48,410 --> 00:07:50,960 ballot 165 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:53,030 people who are able to get just a few 166 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,770 nominations from left-wing people and 167 00:07:53,030 --> 00:07:57,260 just a few from right not that there's 168 00:07:54,770 --> 00:07:58,070 many left-wing mp's I mean there's not I 169 00:07:57,260 --> 00:08:00,740 kid you not 170 00:07:58,070 --> 00:08:02,420 there's not a dozen left-wing know 171 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:05,750 exactly yeah and I think the point is 172 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:07,820 that the only reason Corbin got in was 173 00:08:05,750 --> 00:08:09,680 because they thought they thought they 174 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,990 could go away was doing and that he 175 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,820 wouldn't actually win or as no super 176 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:16,490 like Frank Field claimed it was to open 177 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:18,410 up the debate in the party you know even 178 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:19,520 the lipstick on the bow exactly and 179 00:08:18,410 --> 00:08:24,230 they're not going to make that mistake 180 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:26,750 again never never and some of those 181 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:28,280 candidates will get on easily especially 182 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:30,500 the women that you mentioned because 183 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,810 there is this argument out there that 184 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:35,270 the next leader has to be a woman yes I 185 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:38,450 have known two women prime ministers in 186 00:08:35,270 --> 00:08:43,039 Britain let that's gone well there I'm 187 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:46,070 not sure it's nice family the best card 188 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,570 to play that it must be a woman I think 189 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:48,649 it's just another and are going to own 190 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:50,420 that no I think 191 00:08:48,649 --> 00:08:53,569 and we make our positions clear because 192 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:55,100 I'm very clearly I made I'm against this 193 00:08:53,569 --> 00:08:58,369 notion that you should have certain 194 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:59,869 percentages of criteria of female MPs or 195 00:08:58,369 --> 00:09:01,850 female people on board rooms it should 196 00:08:59,869 --> 00:09:04,730 be on the merit of the candidate surely 197 00:09:01,850 --> 00:09:06,110 and definitely because unless you're 198 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:08,929 going to claim that Margaret Thatcher 199 00:09:06,110 --> 00:09:11,600 and treasom a were somehow again for 200 00:09:08,929 --> 00:09:14,059 Humanity because they were women all for 201 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:18,279 feminism even an exact engine feminists 202 00:09:14,059 --> 00:09:18,279 probably feminists anti-women 203 00:09:19,119 --> 00:09:22,119 anti-environment 204 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:29,809 she definitely was going all out for was 205 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:33,679 into the leadership in Liverpool this 206 00:09:29,809 --> 00:09:36,769 week but a candidate like Chris 207 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Williamson or Richard Berger would be 208 00:09:36,769 --> 00:09:42,319 the kind of candidate I would like John 209 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,619 McDonnell the depending on when this is 210 00:09:42,319 --> 00:09:48,079 because John's not much younger than 211 00:09:44,619 --> 00:09:50,079 Jeremy but I mean God forbid if Jeremy 212 00:09:48,079 --> 00:09:53,240 walked under the Clapham omnibus 213 00:09:50,079 --> 00:09:56,709 tomorrow then John McDonald would be the 214 00:09:53,240 --> 00:10:02,990 leader the fact that he's not a woman 215 00:09:56,709 --> 00:10:06,079 would be an absurd objection of course 216 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:08,179 in these gender-fluid times he could 217 00:10:06,079 --> 00:10:10,579 just claim that he identifies a Norma as 218 00:10:08,179 --> 00:10:13,999 a woman and that would be the that would 219 00:10:10,579 --> 00:10:16,550 have the problem story okay but so 220 00:10:13,999 --> 00:10:18,769 McDonald if it was early Bergen 221 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:20,779 Williamson if it was late they'll find 222 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:25,189 it difficult now getting on to the 223 00:10:20,779 --> 00:10:27,800 ballot paper in favor of the kind of 224 00:10:25,189 --> 00:10:32,209 more centrist options that's so and I 225 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,779 mean just like on the MPs elections the 226 00:10:32,209 --> 00:10:35,959 left 227 00:10:32,779 --> 00:10:41,049 whatever the left is had this power in 228 00:10:35,959 --> 00:10:44,569 its hand to culturally shift and 229 00:10:41,049 --> 00:10:50,629 decisively change both those things in 230 00:10:44,569 --> 00:10:53,029 leader MPs and they failed to do so they 231 00:10:50,629 --> 00:10:54,649 decided not to do so yeah that's the 232 00:10:53,029 --> 00:10:57,980 puzzling thing 233 00:10:54,649 --> 00:10:59,449 it is yes but they kind of um they're 234 00:10:57,980 --> 00:11:02,209 kind of sums up the whole conference 235 00:10:59,449 --> 00:11:03,800 really doesn't it I think it a one or 236 00:11:02,209 --> 00:11:06,800 one thing nor the another one thing on 237 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:10,490 the other and ultimately a massive piece 238 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:14,119 of Stickley sweet sugary fudge mmm 239 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:16,879 ultimately because moving on from the do 240 00:11:14,119 --> 00:11:19,189 open selections in that situation we 241 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,869 then had brexit dramas didn't weigh as 242 00:11:19,189 --> 00:11:23,360 well would have been far better if they 243 00:11:20,869 --> 00:11:26,079 hadn't dealt with it at all if they'd 244 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:29,240 done what they did last year and 245 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:31,759 basically ignore the elephant in the 246 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,850 room yeah because what they have 247 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:38,660 achieved now is both the worst of both 248 00:11:34,850 --> 00:11:44,089 worlds but I think potentially fatal to 249 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:47,259 their general election they put on the 250 00:11:44,089 --> 00:11:50,089 table that which carbon and McDonald 251 00:11:47,259 --> 00:11:53,449 repeatedly said including on the day of 252 00:11:50,089 --> 00:11:56,179 the debate John McDonald said on the day 253 00:11:53,449 --> 00:12:00,370 of the debate if there is to be another 254 00:11:56,179 --> 00:12:04,160 referendum on brexit it will not include 255 00:12:00,370 --> 00:12:07,850 romaine because that decision is already 256 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,579 made and we respect the result of the 257 00:12:07,850 --> 00:12:12,709 referendum now I don't want another 258 00:12:10,579 --> 00:12:15,889 referendum but I could live with one if 259 00:12:12,709 --> 00:12:19,069 it's about the terms yeah what I cannot 260 00:12:15,889 --> 00:12:23,689 accept will not accept and will never 261 00:12:19,069 --> 00:12:26,749 vote for is having a referendum getting 262 00:12:23,689 --> 00:12:29,179 a result and then having it again and 263 00:12:26,749 --> 00:12:31,850 maybe even again until you've changed 264 00:12:29,179 --> 00:12:33,110 the result I can't do that and I think 265 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:37,040 that's a knife 266 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:38,509 at the heart of British democracy and a 267 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,879 very dangerous one too 268 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:44,600 I think it can it can actually risk 269 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:46,850 social peace in the country I agree yeah 270 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,709 not drum not overdramatize I think I 271 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:50,240 don't think you are a sad breakfast 272 00:12:48,709 --> 00:12:55,209 angle discussing it with Nicola this 273 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:57,199 morning and while I I mean I'm kind of 274 00:12:55,209 --> 00:13:01,189 neither healing all day on the brexit 275 00:12:57,199 --> 00:13:03,589 issue really but I think that a second 276 00:13:01,189 --> 00:13:05,629 referendum is dangerous for numerous 277 00:13:03,589 --> 00:13:08,030 reasons as you stated possible social 278 00:13:05,629 --> 00:13:11,540 unrest but not least because 279 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:13,490 there was accusations of malpractice and 280 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:15,680 lying and manipulation from both sides 281 00:13:13,490 --> 00:13:19,460 in the previous referendum so is it all 282 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:21,410 unlike most elections that's yeah 283 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:24,080 exactly first point so is it all going 284 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:25,940 to be fair again I think going back and 285 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,250 asking this question again I'll be a 286 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:31,010 more difficult questions exactly the the 287 00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:33,140 it was a romaine or leaf a new 288 00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:37,160 referendum would be do you want to 289 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:40,790 remain on the Norway model footnote 290 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,100 appendix the Canada model food nor 291 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:47,690 appender I mean how can you have a 292 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:50,810 referendum on a multi option set of 293 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:53,000 complexities like that I mean it'll need 294 00:13:50,810 --> 00:13:55,100 to be like an encyclopedia rather than 295 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,450 exactly who is that everyone will need 296 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:58,190 to have done the bloody degree before 297 00:13:56,450 --> 00:14:00,440 there is able to vote in it but the 298 00:13:58,190 --> 00:14:02,570 point is that that's the last referendum 299 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,970 was a bunch as well because both sides 300 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:07,490 neither argued their points on the 301 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:08,990 sleigh or particularly well but also as 302 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:12,290 you say it's an undermining of democracy 303 00:14:08,990 --> 00:14:14,390 I mean III don't understand the thinking 304 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:18,350 behind it because the thinking is coming 305 00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:20,330 from middle-class liberals who who who 306 00:14:18,350 --> 00:14:22,430 inside their bubble think think it's the 307 00:14:20,330 --> 00:14:24,350 biggest issue facing this country and I 308 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:26,540 think they're going there they are 309 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:29,720 knifing in the back metaphorically again 310 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:32,150 of Suede's of the country who rightly or 311 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,880 wrongly still believes that leave is the 312 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:36,890 best yeah by the way if we did have 313 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,050 another in/out referendum and perfectly 314 00:14:36,890 --> 00:14:41,930 certain that out would win it in fact 315 00:14:39,050 --> 00:14:44,270 with a bigger majority because and 316 00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:47,480 here's my third problem with the Labour 317 00:14:44,270 --> 00:14:51,190 conference and in a way for me it's it's 318 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:54,230 the most sad and the most profound and 319 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:58,670 labor is not the party I was kicked out 320 00:14:54,230 --> 00:15:04,160 of 15 years ago it's a very different 321 00:14:58,670 --> 00:15:09,230 part in AH and culturally it is I think 322 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:12,110 an ocean away from its working-class 323 00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:17,150 base from which it came and on which it 324 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:18,050 rests labor as seen through the prism of 325 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:24,190 the 326 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:27,190 France his London centric middle-class 327 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:27,190 university-educated 328 00:15:27,610 --> 00:15:36,769 metropolitan in spirit and ethic 329 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:42,320 youth-obsessed and the labor conferences 330 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:45,079 I used to go to were of course by no 331 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,990 means perfect and I used to rail against 332 00:15:45,079 --> 00:15:51,740 them at the time but they bore some 333 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:54,140 relationship to what life is like for 334 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:57,079 the British working class in the country 335 00:15:54,140 --> 00:16:00,680 this conference didn't really when the 336 00:15:57,079 --> 00:16:04,250 guy went to the rostrum and demanded 337 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:08,690 that the chair stop referring to people 338 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:12,920 as man and woman and find some 339 00:16:08,690 --> 00:16:17,870 gender-neutral way and was cheered 340 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:20,480 wildly from the floor something died 341 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:22,070 inside of me I've got to tell you look I 342 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,740 mean I'm quite I'm all for gender 343 00:16:22,070 --> 00:16:27,170 fluidity and non gender definition 344 00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:28,760 however I think the broader point you're 345 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:32,390 making is that's the least of our bloody 346 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,250 worries at the minute and I yeah I agree 347 00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:36,230 so he was seeing the chair was saying 348 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:38,050 the man over there followed by the woman 349 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:40,970 over there what's wrong with that Steve 350 00:16:38,050 --> 00:16:43,899 well it works on the assumption that 351 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:48,829 these people identifies men and women 352 00:16:43,899 --> 00:16:51,470 the I it was really disappointing I have 353 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:53,390 to say I share your disappointment I 354 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:55,550 don't think I probably feel as deeply as 355 00:16:53,390 --> 00:16:59,390 you because for someone who has been a 356 00:16:55,550 --> 00:17:01,070 long moment so long I've never been part 357 00:16:59,390 --> 00:17:02,750 of the labor movement I've always sort 358 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:06,260 of slightly rallied against the party 359 00:17:02,750 --> 00:17:11,540 however it was deeply disappointing as I 360 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:13,939 wrote not least for their Blanken like 361 00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:16,790 blanket like blanket 362 00:17:13,939 --> 00:17:19,730 disregard for disability and the 363 00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:21,860 meetings how did that happen I've given 364 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:24,350 we we know thanks to you how many 365 00:17:21,860 --> 00:17:26,000 millions of people this affairs I mean 366 00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:27,380 about you're not discussing it basically 367 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,090 having the ins and outs of it was that 368 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:30,659 composite motions were put forward and 369 00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:33,119 while constituency 370 00:17:30,659 --> 00:17:35,879 the Labour Party's voted for welfare as 371 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,129 an issue to be discussed it was put to 372 00:17:35,879 --> 00:17:41,489 one side by the Union and the affiliates 373 00:17:38,129 --> 00:17:43,409 vote so Moses or momentum and some of 374 00:17:41,489 --> 00:17:45,570 the trade unions but the point the put 375 00:17:43,409 --> 00:17:45,929 the point is that I completely agree 376 00:17:45,570 --> 00:17:47,759 with you 377 00:17:45,929 --> 00:17:50,279 firstly because they didn't debate 378 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:52,529 welfare at all is damning in itself but 379 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:56,759 then if you look at some of the policy 380 00:17:52,529 --> 00:17:58,889 proposals coming out as well I think 381 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:01,679 when one Guardian columnist called John 382 00:17:58,889 --> 00:18:03,869 McDonald's speech declaring class war in 383 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:07,559 this country it would say anything but 384 00:18:03,869 --> 00:18:10,529 class war I mean it's so watered-down 385 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:12,419 still and as we discuss we discuss on 386 00:18:10,529 --> 00:18:16,470 another program the other day in terms 387 00:18:12,419 --> 00:18:19,859 of a radical socialist agenda it's not 388 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:21,869 oh no no it's not that radical talk it 389 00:18:19,859 --> 00:18:23,309 was the it was the accessibility of the 390 00:18:21,869 --> 00:18:24,899 conference as well as since so many 391 00:18:23,309 --> 00:18:26,549 people have spent so many people who say 392 00:18:24,899 --> 00:18:28,379 they couldn't go because they couldn't 393 00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:31,940 afford it they didn't feel that they 394 00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:36,539 fitted in necessarily there and it did 395 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:37,559 it does just sum up what 70 people 396 00:18:36,539 --> 00:18:38,340 criticized laid before was you've 397 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:40,679 already point out and I'd be 398 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:42,509 metropolitan middle class University 399 00:18:40,679 --> 00:18:44,399 layers I mean some of the policy 400 00:18:42,509 --> 00:18:46,470 proposals where was the grand moves on 401 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:50,039 social housing they promised 20 million 402 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:52,649 for renters unions for the 11 million 403 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:54,989 private sector renters in this country 404 00:18:52,649 --> 00:18:57,570 nothing for social housing tenants at 405 00:18:54,989 --> 00:19:00,059 all the welfare state wasn't much bricks 406 00:18:57,570 --> 00:19:02,669 and mortar or a bread and butter there 407 00:19:00,059 --> 00:19:04,529 was enough well take an issue I'm of 408 00:19:02,669 --> 00:19:08,070 course a lifelong campaigner for 409 00:19:04,529 --> 00:19:11,070 Palestine I'm over the moon 410 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:14,190 the unanimous decision of the conference 411 00:19:11,070 --> 00:19:16,499 and the sea of Palestinian that was 412 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:18,809 voted to stop armed selling to Israel 413 00:19:16,499 --> 00:19:22,169 yeah well unanimously yeah which is a 414 00:19:18,809 --> 00:19:25,499 remarkable thing and for someone like me 415 00:19:22,169 --> 00:19:28,409 after 40 years of trying I feel very 416 00:19:25,499 --> 00:19:30,779 proud of that but why would you discuss 417 00:19:28,409 --> 00:19:33,599 the suffering of the Palestinian people 418 00:19:30,779 --> 00:19:37,019 but not the suffering of people on 419 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:40,169 welfare in Britain it's another example 420 00:19:37,019 --> 00:19:43,240 it's quite a cosmopolitan middle class 421 00:19:40,169 --> 00:19:46,390 university educated youth obsessed 422 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:49,179 to do to have a big debate on Palestine 423 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:53,020 but not on social housing 424 00:19:49,179 --> 00:19:54,730 yeah because Palestine something you 425 00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:56,980 feel and think about and talk about a 426 00:19:54,730 --> 00:19:59,440 lot social housing what's that again 427 00:19:56,980 --> 00:20:02,170 yeah when's the last ever remember the 428 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,020 last time I saw a social welfare what's 429 00:20:02,170 --> 00:20:08,170 that again when's the last time I shook 430 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:11,350 hands with someone that was on benefits 431 00:20:08,170 --> 00:20:14,080 and actually being killed by the gunman 432 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:17,890 yeah there's far more people killed by 433 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Ian Duncan Smith than even killed by the 434 00:20:17,890 --> 00:20:21,520 Israelis at the Gaza fence I have to say 435 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,050 it's - you know launch day we haven't 436 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,160 discussed this before filming I really 437 00:20:23,050 --> 00:20:25,780 appreciate you saying that because 438 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,900 someone there's someone who campaigns 439 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:30,730 all the time on the state of 440 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:32,940 Palestinians and their lives and for you 441 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:35,559 to recognize now it's really important 442 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:36,059 thank you I really appreciate you saying 443 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:39,250 that 444 00:20:36,059 --> 00:20:42,929 it's the conservative conference next 445 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:45,370 week will be equally cruel crushing and 446 00:20:42,929 --> 00:20:51,880 unforgiving I promise you in the 447 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:54,220 interest of balance our social housing 448 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,490 landlords bank merged with another 449 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:59,470 company called from Clarion to now form 450 00:20:57,490 --> 00:21:01,990 the biggest social landlord in the UK 451 00:20:59,470 --> 00:21:04,090 now they can claim to the house or to 452 00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:06,490 learn Micah and it's not at its pills 453 00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:08,440 and the whole thing is attacked much as 454 00:21:06,490 --> 00:21:10,300 well because they use clever accounting 455 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,070 trickery to get away with calling 456 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:13,510 themselves a social landlord because 457 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:15,520 they're profit-making elements all 458 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:17,440 registered under different companies so 459 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,630 their main account does not run the 460 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,330 profit but they're subsidiaries which 461 00:21:19,630 --> 00:21:24,160 have five of all run profits and and 462 00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:25,990 this is exactly you're quite wrong as a 463 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,120 point that out but this is the way it 464 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:30,220 ends up coming up if you if you go to 465 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:32,170 embrace communitarianism or something 466 00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:35,410 along those lines do it [ __ ] properly 467 00:21:32,170 --> 00:21:37,330 nothing but that's a game I own a book 468 00:21:35,410 --> 00:21:39,880 offered some ducks is half enough our 469 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:41,270 kind of neither here on their measure 470 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,400 the sale on education 471 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:45,680 and Jeremy surprising every schools 472 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,720 wonderful nothing on private schools 473 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,660 nothing on grad schools apart from the 474 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,780 same stuff about the VA - good point 475 00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:55,790 that's not assumed nothing of that again 476 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:57,260 with the Academy's ation or she's 477 00:21:55,790 --> 00:22:00,260 proposing as the councils will have 478 00:21:57,260 --> 00:22:02,060 about how to take bad Academy trusts 479 00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:06,050 back under council control nothing 480 00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:08,060 really to rein in academisation full is 481 00:22:06,050 --> 00:22:10,220 its as half in half out as you say it's 482 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:12,770 like statist it's neither communitary 483 00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:14,510 honest it's kind of [ __ ] nothing well 484 00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:16,460 then what it more is actually what we 485 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:19,130 discussed before it's moving towards 486 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:20,900 this Nordic [ __ ] found model of 487 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:22,580 socialism which everyone that seems to 488 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:24,410 be praising in the press that this is 489 00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:25,970 wonderful I've seen a lot of context so 490 00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:27,290 what we move is waterboarding modern 491 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:29,510 labor that's wonderful that's going 492 00:22:27,290 --> 00:22:31,280 [ __ ] well Sweden isn't it oh boy well 493 00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:33,110 and should we donate a far-right on the 494 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,900 rise after forty years of the Nordic 495 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:38,630 well the primers will just be tossed out 496 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:40,730 of office but that's great okay it's 497 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:43,700 dead the whole thing is a joke you 498 00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:46,640 should have filmed all that did you have 499 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:51,080 that bit good excellent I just have to 500 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:53,690 believe there I'm sorry but this 501 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:56,960 essentially is and it's very 502 00:22:53,690 --> 00:23:00,470 disappointing it is a man flu abated 503 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:04,730 then come we never sound ourself inspect 504 00:23:00,470 --> 00:23:08,470 in full flow right anyway what were we 505 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:08,470 supposed to be talking about Instagram 506 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,540 from Tito is obtained Instagram far 507 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:16,810 better than any other phone so any other 508 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:16,810 show 509 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:25,030 so the news broke this week let's mark 510 00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:27,550 zuckerberg 511 00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:30,250 head of facebook has been installing his 512 00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:32,170 own people covertly into Instagram the 513 00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:33,730 company that Facebook bought for 1 514 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:36,070 billion pounds a little while ago 515 00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:38,650 apparently the CEO ones billion padding 516 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:42,610 is one bigger Avenel our 1 1 billion 517 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:44,980 pound for a business that seems to 518 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:47,920 simply be on a board on which you can 519 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:50,170 put your baby pictures good isn't it 520 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,150 it's great I'm yet 1 billion pounds some 521 00:23:50,170 --> 00:23:54,250 for Instagram so back yet so basically 522 00:23:52,150 --> 00:23:56,830 what's happened is Zuckerberg has gone 523 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:58,270 yeah well thanks Instagram and thanks 524 00:23:56,830 --> 00:24:01,300 for all your work now I'm putting my 525 00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:02,980 people in and and I want you lot out and 526 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:05,290 it's been quite interesting to watch has 527 00:24:02,980 --> 00:24:07,600 been the the former now CEO of Instagram 528 00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:09,670 has been putting up photos on Instagram 529 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,290 obviously all smiley and cheery and 530 00:24:09,670 --> 00:24:14,080 saying thanks thanks for the time and 531 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:16,870 and good luck to Facebook's people 532 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,670 coming in but there's a gun serious 533 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:21,640 sides of this because it's quite 534 00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:24,120 concerning and it's for me it represents 535 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,990 sort of a trend that we've sin more 536 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:30,040 predominantly as well since the 537 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:32,620 financial crisis where the reach of a 538 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,720 small handful of corporation as if you 539 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:36,820 like against tolerance more the 540 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,440 oligarchy is getting smaller yeah that's 541 00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:44,950 what I've Russian oleic I hundred people 542 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,960 now own two-thirds yeah of the wealth of 543 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:48,580 the world yet five hundred people and in 544 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,120 fact across you could get them in this 545 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:54,250 room they're probably and this Christ 546 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:56,170 isn't it really but and it's been seen 547 00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:59,410 yeah and this whole story sort of 548 00:24:56,170 --> 00:25:01,600 underscores that issue where where the 549 00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:02,920 since financial crisis not least because 550 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,020 of the way banks don't lend to small 551 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,860 businesses anymore I think in part but I 552 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:11,260 also think in part it's a systemic move 553 00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:13,060 that's been designed to give massive 554 00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:14,890 companies more monopoly over everything 555 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:17,110 and we're seeing the breaking up of 556 00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:19,090 smaller companies now and ultimately I 557 00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:21,460 mean from a social media point of view 558 00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:24,250 not least I mean we want this I mean 559 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:28,180 instagrams to presumably Instagram sold 560 00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:31,600 themselves to Facebook a great profit 561 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:32,260 for a very few individuals it doesn't 562 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,660 make a great 563 00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:38,080 deal of difference to me I mean baby 564 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:41,260 pictures are baby pictures whether the 565 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:44,050 the board on which they're stuck pinned 566 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:45,730 is owned by Facebook or owned by 567 00:25:44,050 --> 00:25:47,500 Instagram doesn't make a great deal of 568 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:48,610 difference to me but here's something 569 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:50,230 now 570 00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:53,890 you're a younger man than me you're also 571 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:58,480 more tech savvy than me really I don't 572 00:25:53,890 --> 00:26:01,180 understand why we need to allow that to 573 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,000 happen for example a mate of mine has 574 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:06,490 started an alternative Twitter called 575 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,470 ticket I've seen that yeah yeah yeah no 576 00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:11,070 as far as I could see there's no 577 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:14,170 difference between ticket and Twitter 578 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:18,490 except name recognition yeah and 579 00:26:14,170 --> 00:26:21,450 therefore I go to instinct 580 00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:25,120 there's no it's not that Twitter is 581 00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:28,750 better in what it does than ticket 582 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,370 because hey what what's what's 583 00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:32,680 complicated about it yeah you're just 584 00:26:30,370 --> 00:26:36,100 providing a board where people can write 585 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,710 and share ditto 586 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:40,990 Facebook I mean why don't the Russians 587 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:44,380 have a Facebook why don't the Chinese 588 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:46,120 have a Facebook why don't the Bulgarians 589 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:49,540 have a Facebook yeah why does everybody 590 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:51,670 have to be on the American Facebook yep 591 00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:53,290 so you're giving these people monopoly 592 00:26:51,670 --> 00:26:55,630 power exactly and that's a very good 593 00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:57,340 point but I think there's for me there's 594 00:26:55,630 --> 00:27:00,010 a real deeper issue apply here and that 595 00:26:57,340 --> 00:27:02,620 is the way that social media has now 596 00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:04,360 become and is now being used by the 597 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:06,550 corporations that run the world to 598 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:09,040 effectively exert some sort of control 599 00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:11,740 over us as citizens and what we do I 600 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,200 mean your your news feeds on Facebook 601 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:16,210 are now controlled tirelessly 602 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,220 manipulated you are I see you on my own 603 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:22,390 Facebook I've got six hundred thousand 604 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:25,090 followers on Facebook and that which I 605 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:27,940 used to be able to freely share and 606 00:27:25,090 --> 00:27:31,630 share to hundreds of thousands of people 607 00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:33,340 at a time well now 20,000 25,000 clearly 608 00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:34,690 somebody's manipulating it somewhere 609 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:36,490 yeah absolutely I know that I've 610 00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:38,920 experienced the same as well then you 611 00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:41,500 have the the way the advertising is set 612 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,780 up on the websites where websites cache 613 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,730 your history and tailor adverts to suit 614 00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:47,170 you so they bombard you with 615 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:49,030 you've already been looking at so you 616 00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:51,190 just continue encouraged to buy the same 617 00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:51,730 things from the same companies over and 618 00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:54,510 over again 619 00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:57,310 and it's this and it's this subversive 620 00:27:54,510 --> 00:28:00,430 corporates control they're not banning 621 00:27:57,310 --> 00:28:04,960 people I mean I know it's a more vexed 622 00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:07,030 issue and for example that guy Alex 623 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,870 Jones yeah I mean I can't tell you how 624 00:28:07,030 --> 00:28:13,780 much I love and despise that guy but 625 00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:15,490 when they banned him we should have 626 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:17,140 realized that they were going to start 627 00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:20,140 banning other people that we loved 628 00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:22,600 actually so Jimmy door for example the 629 00:28:20,140 --> 00:28:27,610 American yeah he's banned I mean they're 630 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:30,330 actually taking a side to anyone who is 631 00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:32,920 far enough out of the mainstream 632 00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:36,280 Orthodox yeah they haven't done it to me 633 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:39,640 because I've got maybe slightly too many 634 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:43,180 followers and slightly too well-known 635 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:45,430 again but people with bit less and a bit 636 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:47,380 less well-known are being ruthlessly 637 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:49,030 punched you say all the time yeah and 638 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:51,370 you go and you quite right by Alex Jones 639 00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:53,200 it doesn't matter if you agree with his 640 00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:55,300 views or not and of course this is the 641 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,500 older jars that I don't have to agree 642 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,970 with your views I'll defend them to the 643 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,560 death and it doesn't matter if you agree 644 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:02,050 with Alex Jones although the point is 645 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,170 should he be shut down for saying what 646 00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:07,150 he may or may not think with you bird I 647 00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:08,530 think is a bit of a PR guy as well yeah 648 00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:09,010 we could have creating a brand for 649 00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:10,960 himself 650 00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:12,820 yeah it doesn't matter and the whole 651 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,410 point of the social media is supposed to 652 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:16,060 be free speech and it's and it's so far 653 00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:17,710 removed from free speech now some yeah 654 00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:19,930 but you get my point there's no barrier 655 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:21,880 to us making our own Facebook only the 656 00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:23,170 only barrier is how we get everyone to 657 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,520 know about it this is a challenge 658 00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:26,440 exactly yeah and I agree with you I 659 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,810 think that is the way forward I mean it 660 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,730 kind of ties into in some bizarre 661 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:32,470 respects my issues with the Labour Party 662 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:33,730 conference that maybe we should be 663 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:35,290 looking at more things we can do 664 00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:39,640 together as opposed to things that 665 00:29:35,290 --> 00:29:41,200 political parties can do for us but yeah 666 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,810 there's there's no barrier in that at 667 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,520 all and I think I think as a species and 668 00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:47,170 as a society that's the way we need to 669 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,840 be moving forward more is doing things 670 00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:50,740 for ourselves taking corporations out of 671 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,440 it because if you're not very careful 672 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:55,900 when use you see it's in social media 673 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,680 you see it in the way that Western 674 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,600 governments now operate when 675 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,200 looking we're staring into the abyss of 676 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:06,140 a very very dystopian future something 677 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,330 that was regarded as science fiction in 678 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:12,350 the 70s and 80s you see the film Elysium 679 00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:16,100 yes I have yep that's the way if we're 680 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:18,280 not careful yet we'll end the the ruling 681 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:21,110 elite will be either literally or 682 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,940 metaphorically up in a space station 683 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:26,420 that looks like heaven the Garden of 684 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:29,330 Eden and the rest of us will be fighting 685 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:31,280 each other literally to the death back 686 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:32,720 on earth I don't think that's an 687 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,850 exaggeration I really don't 688 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,640 it concerns me greatly as one of my 689 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:39,650 biggest worries and I took talk about a 690 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,510 lot with Nicola and other people that we 691 00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:43,490 are heading to a very dystopian future I 692 00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:44,960 don't think people realize just and you 693 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:47,150 see it and then you especially say with 694 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,770 the welfare state Universal Credit which 695 00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:50,330 have written about a lot but a lot it's 696 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:53,600 essentially what Universal Credit does 697 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:55,610 it segregates the undeserving poor all 698 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,110 into one the easy little manageable 699 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:58,430 group where they're all getting the same 700 00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:59,600 benefits and they're all get the same 701 00:30:58,430 --> 00:31:01,250 amount of money and they're all sort of 702 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,720 left to their own devices and then 703 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:05,030 everyone else and that's extremely 704 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,600 dystopian that you have literally as 705 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:10,940 underclass being created so actually 706 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,860 only part out of people of the same 707 00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:15,560 color yeah it's class apartheid yeah 708 00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:16,640 yeah and it's happening and I think it's 709 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600 one of the biggest challenges that we 710 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,100 face but also one of the biggest 711 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,230 challenges and no one really talks about 712 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:24,500 the Liberal Party conference didn't rise 713 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:26,660 to these kind of challenges in fact the 714 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:29,210 more I'm listening to you and the more 715 00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:32,030 I'm thinking back on the conference it 716 00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:33,140 kind of was nothing they kind of changed 717 00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:37,610 nothing yeah 718 00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:42,050 and insofar as it made waves it tried to 719 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:44,210 split the wave so we we have a situation 720 00:31:42,050 --> 00:31:45,890 where nobody in the country by the way 721 00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:48,200 the Torres will ruthlessly exploit this 722 00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:50,780 nobody in the country knows whether 723 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,610 labor is going to implement breaks up or 724 00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:59,060 not no that's what the net effect of 725 00:31:54,610 --> 00:32:01,910 carbon McDonald's land McCluskey saying 726 00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:04,220 one thing and Kirsten ma in prime time 727 00:32:01,910 --> 00:32:07,250 with the support of most of the media 728 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:10,890 saying the opposite yeah the end result 729 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:13,600 is for tens of millions of vote 730 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:16,539 labor doesn't seem that keen on that on 731 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,760 brexit and I really want brexit so I'm 732 00:32:16,539 --> 00:32:19,690 gonna have to vote for the tourist it's 733 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,669 very dangerous 734 00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:27,340 and 65% of all constituencies were 735 00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:29,799 labour which have turned Labour MP voted 736 00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:32,529 for brakes and yeah and so if only have 737 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:36,490 a couple of thousand in some cases a few 738 00:32:32,529 --> 00:32:38,860 hundreds change from Labour to 739 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:40,450 conservative the seat changes hands 740 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:43,510 exactly this is what's not being 741 00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:47,769 appreciated you can pile up all your 742 00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:50,909 pro-eu votes in North London that you 743 00:32:47,769 --> 00:32:54,070 like you can give Emily Thornbury a 744 00:32:50,909 --> 00:32:56,380 seventy five thousand majority if you 745 00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:58,440 like but if you lose five seats in 746 00:32:56,380 --> 00:33:01,389 Yorkshire disco and Staffordshire and 747 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,029 Derbyshire and the Northeast and the 748 00:33:01,389 --> 00:33:07,200 Northwest than the southwest and South 749 00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:12,880 Wales you've lost the election exactly 750 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:15,549 put that on Instagram well we've been 751 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,279 topple Galloway we have struggled 752 00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:19,840 manfully through the man flu we're 753 00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:24,760 beginning to get a second wind 754 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,769 where is Elijah comes to an end we're 755 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,490 both feeling a little perky up 756 00:33:26,769 --> 00:33:33,490 let's go next week we're pinkie and pain 757 00:33:30,490 --> 00:33:34,929 God yes let's hope we are and there's 758 00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:36,159 always if you want to get involved we 759 00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:37,779 appreciate your comments there's been 760 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:39,159 some great ones coming in once they get 761 00:33:37,779 --> 00:33:42,519 you people seem obsessed with our 762 00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:44,649 clothing don't know why not what's not 763 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:46,659 to love our and I know but I'm the end 764 00:33:44,649 --> 00:33:48,429 apparently I was told go back to 765 00:33:46,659 --> 00:33:49,830 baseball hats so I've gone back to 766 00:33:48,429 --> 00:33:52,450 baseball hats 767 00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:56,789 thank you no I like during your pork pie 768 00:33:52,450 --> 00:34:01,090 I wear that fellas are much to me well 769 00:33:56,789 --> 00:34:02,409 wasn't George I'm afraid no it was for 770 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:03,909 the viewers at home I was off to film 771 00:34:02,409 --> 00:34:05,529 something else I'm filming in the show 772 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:07,720 last week I had to look a bit smarter 773 00:34:05,529 --> 00:34:10,419 and whereas whereas in the comfort of 774 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,990 this palatial environment I feel I feel 775 00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:16,839 I can go wrong go rough go breath I want 776 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:18,819 as I was filming the proper TV awards 777 00:34:16,839 --> 00:34:20,980 not the dots there's even better than TV 778 00:34:18,819 --> 00:34:22,569 that you get with topple Galloway of 779 00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,919 couple Galloway we appreciate your 780 00:34:22,569 --> 00:34:26,409 comments I've just been 781 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:28,569 all three it has we we are back to being 782 00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:30,429 on patreon next week though so if you've 783 00:34:28,569 --> 00:34:32,679 liked these past four weeks as we always 784 00:34:30,429 --> 00:34:34,859 say please subscribe on patreon it 785 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:39,849 surrounds a lot less it's meant to be 786 00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:42,849 nuts it's about 16 pence that pusher at 787 00:34:39,849 --> 00:34:44,950 today's exchange Rick exactly so do get 788 00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:46,510 involved subscribe and hopefully then 789 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:48,339 we'll see you next week you can't even 790 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:51,669 get peanuts for 16 person I think you 791 00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:52,510 can e more god forbid after brexit there 792 00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:57,819 be no peanuts 793 00:34:52,510 --> 00:35:01,630 after brexit just one more thing you see 794 00:34:57,819 --> 00:35:04,950 the whole point about the labor fudge on 795 00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:08,940 brexit is that it clears the way for 796 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:12,369 Tereza me to call an early khaki 797 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:17,200 election where she can portray herself 798 00:35:12,369 --> 00:35:20,890 as mrs. britain the one person that you 799 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,440 can count on to implement the democratic 800 00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:27,250 decision of the majority of the British 801 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:31,990 in the brexit referendum and caricature 802 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:35,049 mr. Corbyn and his lieutenants as fifth 803 00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:38,650 columnist s-- agents of the european 804 00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:42,579 union and then fill the airwaves with 805 00:35:38,650 --> 00:35:45,069 patriotic bilge there's no point in 806 00:35:42,579 --> 00:35:48,579 complaining about it that's exactly what 807 00:35:45,069 --> 00:35:51,700 she would do and guess who wins a 808 00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:56,020 contest like that the most force of 809 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:58,150 dichotomies another Tory victory just 810 00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:59,440 one more thing I cannot do this episode 811 00:35:58,150 --> 00:36:01,329 of top of Galloway without addressing 812 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,760 the issue of welfare in the Labor Party 813 00:36:01,329 --> 00:36:05,410 conference even more now some accuse me 814 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,750 of exaggerating what's going on in this 815 00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:10,000 country that I'm being hyperbolic if you 816 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:12,339 like about the plight of disabled people 817 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,470 sick people and unemployed people I'm 818 00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:16,690 not and for me the Labour Party 819 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:18,549 conference has betrayed every single 820 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:19,119 sick disabled an unemployed person in 821 00:36:18,549 --> 00:36:21,160 this country 822 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,640 Margaret Greenwood a shadow Secretary of 823 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,859 State has done nothing to alleviate the 824 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,270 fears of these groups of people and the 825 00:36:26,859 --> 00:36:30,160 party has done nothing because 826 00:36:28,270 --> 00:36:32,920 essentially their welfare policy has 827 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,480 made no move since last year's manifesto 828 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,460 nothing has changed absolutely nothing 829 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,210 has changed pinnacle of this is they're 830 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:39,130 not committing 831 00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:41,020 to scrap the universal credit with John 832 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:43,210 McDonnell having to backtrack off side 833 00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:45,490 as a fringe event and say well we think 834 00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:47,680 we might do it this is not good enough 835 00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:50,050 DWP released figures which show that 836 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,730 10,000 people in the work related 837 00:36:50,050 --> 00:36:53,800 activity group of employment support 838 00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:54,790 lands died in three years these are 839 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,100 people who's supposed to be moving 840 00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:58,930 towards work if that is not enough for 841 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,850 labor to get off their asses and start 842 00:36:58,930 --> 00:37:04,440 doing some proper decent work on this 843 00:37:00,850 --> 00:37:04,440 issue I don't know what is 844 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,620 [Music]